On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Le Lun 4 novembre 2013 20:15, Josh Boyer a écrit : >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >>>> And, by the way, we've been supporting this kind of model with pip >>>> and gem already, so I really don't get why all the fuss when >>>> suddenly we want to do it with the desktop applications. >>>> >>> >>> Please don't use pip and gem as "positive" examples... they have a >>> habit of conflicting with the installed system that is an additional >>> problem we may hope to solve with this. >> >> It's worth pointing out that they're positive examples to the >> developers using them. They want to work on their applications and >> not have to fight against the distro's versions. And those developers >> are particularly the ones being targeted with containerized apps. So >> equating the two in a positive light probably isn't a bad idea. Those >> developers care about their apps. They don't care about the distros. > > … till they have a customer that forces them to reinvent the deployment > processes distros standardised. > > The problem is not to get code in the hands of developers. You don't need > distros for that. The problem is to get the code to end-users and > developers spend more time fighting the constrains it involves than trying > to understand this problem-space. > > Of course the aim might not be to reach end users but to push code from > developpers to other developpers. Let's stop pretending doing products > then. Be honest and admit you want a demo scene. I want a stable base platform (aka the OS) that allows for people to use it for development of interesting things (aka applications). I want that same platform to be usable by people to install interesting things and us them. I don't see a contradiction here that would force one or the other, nor do I see how it reduces the product to a demo scene. If you want to reduce everything to absolutes, be my guest. It will get you a rock solid, well crafted distro that reaches a certain set of people. I'm interested in reaching more than just that set of people. josh -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
