Oh no! Another one of those threads... ;-) Well, a comment from Thomas Moschny inspired me to examine "Obsoletes" tags in our package collection a bit. How to find "Obsoletes" tags, which are not high enough? For example, it happens regularly that even with Fedora's Package Rename Process, which requires a package review, incorrect Obsoletes (the $obsver in the guidelines) manage to slip through because of the dist tag. The supposed-to-be-obsolete package remains installed and installable. Or worse, if not retired properly, it might return with a bumped release after a rebuild: pexpect-0:2.3-9.fc19.noarch isn't obsoleted pexpect <= 0:2.3-9 obsoleted by python-pexpect-0:2.5.1-6.fc19.noarch pexpect-0:2.3-10.fc20.noarch isn't obsoleted pexpect <= 0:2.3-9 obsoleted by python-pexpect-0:2.5.1-6.fc19.noarch What has happened? It should have been retired in Fedora 18 already when it got obsoleted. So, my first idea has been to look at all packages in the repositories and search for builds with an EVR that is higher than an existing Obsoletes tag for that package name. Huge output! A nightmare. A Herculean task to check them all (until the script may be trusted), but easy enough to skim over the list and perform a plausibility check: latte-integrale 4ti2-0:1.5-3.fc18.i686 isn't obsoleted 4ti2 < 0:1.5-1 obsoleted by 4ti2-0:1.5-10.fc20.i686 Indeed. "latte-integrale" is the src.rpm name. It builds a "4ti2" binary rpm with an EVR higher than the Obsoletes tag. Checking the spec file in git: %package -n 4ti2 # This can be removed once Fedora 18 reaches EOL. Provides: 4ti2 = %{version}-%{release} Obsoletes: 4ti2 < 1.5-1 And there are many more like that. We're really bad here. I don't even understand that spec file. _Why_ does it add such Provides (those are automatic for %name anyway) and self-Obsoletes? Anyway, enjoy the full list here: http://mschwendt.fedorapeople.org/dubious_Obsoletes_in_Rawhide_20130821.txt On to the second experiment. Ancient Obsoletes! Which Obsoletes tags are too low for any current build in Fedora 16 up to Rawhide? It's a shorter list: http://mschwendt.fedorapeople.org/ancient_Obsoletes_in_Rawhide_20130821.txt But hey, what the heck is stuff like this? erlang erlang-0:R14B-04.1.fc16.i686 is oldest erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-erl_interface-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-et-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-crypto-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-examples-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-sasl-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-compiler-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-inviso-0:R15B-03.3.fc18.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-reltool-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-syntax_tools-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-diameter-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-eldap-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-erts-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-webtool-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-cosNotification-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-parsetools-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-jinterface-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-dialyzer-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-gs-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-cosTime-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-toolbar-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-tools-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-tv-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-megaco-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-eunit-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-percept-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-ssh-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-asn1-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-erl_docgen-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-ic-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-edoc-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-wx-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-appmon-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-runtime_tools-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-orber-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-stdlib-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-cosFileTransfer-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-cosEvent-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-snmp-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-test_server-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-cosEventDomain-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-cosProperty-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-ssl-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-mnesia-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-debugger-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-pman-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-typer-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-otp_mibs-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-xmerl-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-kernel-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-common_test-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-hipe-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-cosTransactions-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-os_mon-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-inets-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-public_key-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-odbc-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-docbuilder-0:R14B-04.1.fc16.i686 erlang < 0:R13B-04.5 obsoleted by erlang-observer-0:R16B-01.1.fc20.1.i686 # repoquery --whatobsoletes erlang|wc -l 112 -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct