Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Remove deprecated calls of using ntpdate in favor of ntpd

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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:07:03AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik@xxxxxxxxxx> said:
> > ntpdate is slowly being depricated. STIG enhancements for RHEL 6 penalize 
> > systems that make use of ntpdate. Also documentation from the NSA Hardening 
> > Guidelines as well as CIS Hardening documentation recommends disabling the use 
> > of ntpd as a full-time daemon. 
> 
> Really?  Why?  Active management of the clock is the only sensible way
> to use NTP.

+1.  Anyway, I thought chrony was the default NTP service on Fedora now?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChronyDefaultNTP

Although my recently installed Fedora 19 didn't have chrony nor ntpd.
I guess the default now is "no time sync".

> > Second, I would like to add a set time and/or randomized time for ntpd to 
> > check for time updates (as configured by the user in /etc/sysconfig/ntpdate).
> > 
> > I'm thinking of using ntpd with the -q option to immediately exit the daemon 
> > after it runs. 
> 
> This sounds like you want to run ntpd from cron - that is a TERRIBLE
> idea!  Running something that manages the clock from a job system the
> depends on the clock is broken by design.
> 
> The NTP project has been trying to deprecate ntpdate for a long time
> now, so I have no problem with it going away.  However, while the
> proposal subject is to remove ntpdate, you then go into changing the way
> ntpd is used, which is bad (and not obvious from the subject).

Agreed.
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