-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 10:23:50 -0700 Brendan Conoboy <blc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 07/11/2013 03:55 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > > I will note that it is not x86 alone. If one is simply going by "as > > close to the current Fedora experience the current Primary offers", > > then the PowerPC secondary arch team is actually ahead of ARM. I'm > > not saying they are a better candidate, but I am pointing out that > > the criteria Matthew is alluding to is being met by non-x86 > > architectures. > > I'm not up-to-date on the current condition of Power: Are you > specifically referring to GNOME & KDE? If so I'd posit that this is > because GNOME & KDE make a lot more sense on Power than they do on > ARM. Developer energy goes where it's needed & wanted. Prior to this > discussion nobody was lamenting the state of gnome on their low power > ARM system. We're still building them of course- all the GNOME and > KDE packages are built, they're just not getting used AFAIK. I actually switched my chromebook over to KDE and used it on my trimslice quite extensively. during the f19 cycle. > > I don't believe that is true. ARM is useful, I want it to be a > > Primary arch, but I fail to see how your middle ground below of > > having it be primary in the build system is going to somehow grow > > Fedora. I believe there are concerns that it will place additional > > burden on package maintainers (like ppc did before there was a real > > arch team for it), and that those concerns are valid. > > Are those concerns valid? By what measure? Can they be controverted > by evidence? Thus far we have pro and con anecdotes. > > > And yet did not include any of that information in your proposal. I > > believe build times have improved. I also believe that you should > > show it in the proposal so that it is clear you are addressing prior > > concerns. I'm appreciate the effort spent to speed up the kernel > > build times, but the concern is global. Show the work done in the > > proposal with some simple numbers. i will look at throwing together a script to give us some comparisons between the build times on the different arches. > These are good suggestions- thanks for that. > > > Again, I would like to see ARM as Primary and I believe the ARM team > > has done a rather good job. Promoting anything to Primary has never > > been done before, so bear with us as we work through it. > > Absolutely. Change is hard, but if all goes well this one will be > popular in hindsight :-) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlHfnAgACgkQkSxm47BaWffSCACeN+s7FHECOv2u6I6uWAXEcvdX 1W4AoK5y5BUyM49tLtSn+z0VTkBnMjIq =txCb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
