On 12 March 2013 17:10, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Le Mar 12 mars 2013 21:53, Máirín Duffy a écrit : >> I tried breaking this thread down into its components and summarizing >> the discussion and points brought up thus far. I hope it helps: >> >> http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/03/12/improving-the-fedora-boot-experience/ > > Máirín, > > The proposal discussed here is not to "keep the hood on the car". > The proposal is to remove any indication there is a hood, and show the > user a seamless surface with no hint it can be opened (or how). > > No one there objects to pretty hoods. They object to fixing the hood > appearance by removing any indication of a hood. > > Good car design is not removing the emergency tail lights button because > it "ruins" the panel appearance. Good car design is to keep the emergency > tail lights button, and make it pretty. Even if regulations demand it is > bright red when the designer wanted a smooth black panel. Actually let us step back for a moment.. because you are dropping an important part of the equation here. You forgot the words "To me" as in "To me the proposal discussed here ..." because it is the part that makes a conversation possible. Without it each side is defining what they think the world view is without leaving room for an opposing view. Wording like that ends debate because it states definitively that there can be no room for another viewpoint. It is what is WRONG with most of our email threads in Fedora.. we are all building our echo chambers of our view point and undefining anything that differs. I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original but some point in the the 500 ms boot time "ideal" ) seemed very much a welded shut view. And as someone who has to worked on welded shut computers for asthetic reasons.. it brings out the fighting urge in me. However the REAL proposal is not about welding the bonnet shut. It is about making it so it looks prettier. As long as we focus on that and make sure that we have a clearly labeled knob for opening it.. we can move this along. If we continue focusing that the other person is WRONG and we don't listen for what they really are trying to say we just make things worse here. -- Stephen J Smoogen. "Don't derail a useful feature for the 99% because you're not in it." Linus Torvalds "Years ago my mother used to say to me,... Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me." —James Stewart as Elwood P. Dowd -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
