On 03/12/2013 02:24 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote:
On 03/12/2013 02:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Mar 12, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Am 12.03.2013 17:32, schrieb Chris Murphy:
On Mar 12, 2013, at 6:02 AM, Jiří Eischmann <eischmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
New kernels bring a lot of
regressions and we don't have enough test coverage to avoid them. The
general solution to those problems is to go back to the last working
kernel version. But by making it less obvious we make these frequent
problems more difficult to solve.
This is completely specious. A user who considers falling back to an
older kernel as a troubleshooting step also knows how this selection
is made and where to go look for it
THIS IS WRONG
Oh really?
Yes, it is wrong. We're not talking about just new users here. If
you're going to hide how to select a different kernel, how am I, an
experienced sysadmin supposed to figure it out when things go south?
F18 screwed my computer royally with regards to sleep & restore and I
had to boot older kernels to get the machine stable. As it stands,
there were a list of kernels I chose the upper most one which didn't
have problems...under what people are proposing I'd have to google it
on some other machine or just mash the keyboard and hope I find
something that gives me some options
I don't know why people are so enamored by making it difficult to
troubleshoot problems.
I know it is a simplification, but to me, the two sides of this argument
are:
* remove the hood of the car, and keep it off in case something goes
wrong, or to entice new drivers to look in there and guess what is going on.
* keep the hood of the car on, and if something goes wrong, pop it. If
the driver wants to tweak, or have a look around let them pull the lever
and pop the hood.
--ryanlerch
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