Hi, >> Keep in mind that the not show the menu by default plan depends on >> the bootspec changes, and that will include a gui tool which will >> allow users to select things like show the menu (and then it won't have >> a timeout so be easier to get to), or even to directly select the >> kernel to boot next time. > > Any gui tool requires a successful boot > > Successful means kernel ok, systemd ok, selinux ok, x/wayland ok, gdm ok, > gnome-shell ok > (replace with other de equivalents) > > There are so many parts there where we *fail* the user regularly I don't > see how can anyone reasonably propose to build any safety net over them. > > For example, how are you going to deal with gfx drivers that break after a > kernel update? The system thinks all is fine, even though the display > necessary for any gui is garbage. Well. lilo (anyone remembers?) had a cool feature to address that, and for grub1 patches where floating around to implement something simliar. You could do "lilo -R $kernel $args". Then lilo boots the specified kernel (with args if specified) *once*. So you can boot a new kernel *without* changing the default kernel. Or boot the kernel with additional args without changing the default args. Pretty neat for kernel hacking. When your kernel fails to boot -- just hit reset (or power-cycle the machine remotely) and the system comes up with the known-good default kernel. Likewise useful for kernel updates. Install new kernel, *not* make it the default (yet), ask lilo to boot it once, reboot, and when the system came up fine you can make the new kernel the default. cheers, Gerd -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
