On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Am 12.03.2013 15:37, schrieb Dan Mashal: >> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Am 12.03.2013 13:52, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot: >>>> >>>> Le Mar 12 mars 2013 13:30, Fabian Deutsch a écrit : >>>>>> Von: Máirín Duffy >>>>>> On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote: >>>>>>> Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm pretty sure it is because of where we are in the process at that >>>>>> point. For example, translations - can we render Indic or CJK glyphs to >>>>>> the screen at this point in the boot process? I'm not quite sure that's >>>>>> possible? Another thing with translations is they take up additional >>>>>> disk space and I think (don't quote me on this, maybe Peter or one of >>>>>> the other grub experts could speak up) grub2 is a bit chubby compared to >>>>>> grub, but its space usage is a concern so to not have to have all the >>>>>> translation files for the languages we support would definitely be good. >>>>>> (grub2's girth is one of the reasons - on upstream's recommendation - >>>>>> that we don't allow installing the bootloader to a partition now.) >>>>> >>>>> What about pulling the message stuff into plymouth and using dracut to >>>>> trigger a reboot which shows the grub menu? Something along the lines: >>>>> "Press ESC to see deatils or 'b' to enter the bootloader" >>>> >>>> Plymouth is not a mandatory boot process element right now, precisely >>>> because people who cared about fast boot found it unnecessary, and people >>>> who cared about maintainability also found it got in the way. Please do >>>> not advocate hardwiring it again >>> >>> plymouth is a no-go as requirement >>> >>> "rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0" are my first kernel params on a lot of machines >>> >>> [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/dracut.conf.d/90-plymouth.conf >>> omit_dracutmodules+="plymouth" >>> >>> is present on ANY machine i maintain >>> >>> the only thing i want on a machine is: >>> * no graphical stuff at boot time, not any of it >>> * no submenus in the boot-menu >>> * the kernel list dispalyed for 1 second >>> * no rhgb >>> * no quiet >>> >>> why? >>> >>> because i want to see what me system does if i look how it >>> boots up within 15 seconds and i want to face ANY possible >>> warning nobody cares especially after a upgrade >> >> Fedora boot process MUST look pretty! > > says who? > AND WHAT IS UGLY IN A KERNEL-MENU? > > the only thing to which this new shiny attitude > hide anything from the users will lead is that > the next generation of users stay dumb beginners > > who will answer the questions here in 10 years? > I was joking. :) You can always yum remove plymouth. In fact we were even *gasp* looking at replacing plymouth with our own theme for laughs. Dan -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
