On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, 11.03.13 20:22, Peter Robinson (pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx) wrote: > >> > Entering the boot loader is something that is a debugging feature, a >> > tool for professionals. It shouldn't be too hard to expect from them to >> > remember something as simple as maybe "press shift or Space or Esc" to >> > get the boot menu or more verbose output. I mean, honestly, that's >> > probably what most people would try automatically anyway if they want >> > feedback from the machine. >> > >> > We nowadays live in times where BIOS POST takes 500ms, the kernel one >> > second and userspace another one [1], with times like that you really >> > don't need any bootsplash or anything. With Windows 8 the laptop BIOSes >> > finally got fixed to be silent and quick during POST. Now its our turn >> > to achieve the same for the boot loader and the OS, both of which we >> > control. >> >> Clearly you haven't used any modern EFI server systems where I've used >> systems which take 15 minutes to post (and I can kickstart an entire >> RHEL-6 install less than 7 mins) and are generally longer than their >> predecessors > > Clearly, you haven't used any modern EFI laptop system where POST is > 500ms. Yep, I have one of those as well. > So, we both now pointed out that each other is terribly naive, what did > us bring that? > > Are you really arguing that because your EFI system is slow we should > make it even slower by adding pointless 15s delays into the boot > everywhere? Nope, I never said it's not something worth doing, I believe as someone who runs single Fedora systems pretty much everywhere it's worthwhile. It's also something that on my 500ms EFI booting laptop would rarely impact me as I reboot it about once a month and use suspend/resume most of the time too. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
