----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Mashal" <dan.mashal@xxxxxxxxx> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:13:34 PM > Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop > > > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = > > > > I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new > > Fedora > > install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the > > Gnome > > Shell if > > they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a > > traditional > > desktop. > > > > The Cinnamon desktop provides a traditional desktop while being > > based > > on the > > latest Gnome and GTK components, so it seems like a better > > candidate > > for a > > default desktop than MATE, which is based on older components. > > Some facts: > > - Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is not a > full fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and > bug-fixes are not going either way... > > - GNOME 3.8 will replace the dismal fallback mode with a new > 'classic' mode that is actually based on the latest GNOME > components, and will be a more 'traditional desktop', whatever that > means. > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > > Let's see how lightweight, bug free and usable it is. Why don't you > just merge the 3 projects instead of wasting your time? We could all > work together. > > > There could be different "flavors" of Gnome. Now I know that we are > both biased here, however what it really feels like here is REDHAT > employees want Gnome 3 and they are giving a bunch of bullshit > excuses on why it should be, referencing various stupid apple to > orange comparisons from 10 years ago. Why don't we take a poll where > no Red Hat employees can vote. Since when my work(hence vote) in Fedora is unwanted because I'm Red Hat employee? I don't give a sh*t about what the default is but one should tell you - SHUT UP!!! And yes this is exactly what you were trying to tell me. So please send your next message once you learned to deal with technical questions in a technical way or if you can't never would be better!!! Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team > Only non Red Hat Fedora employees and > the board itself can make a final decision after considering what > FESCO has to say about it. Face it. Fedora 15 Gnome 3 cause a major > uproar. Anaconda on RHEL6 is easier to use than Anaconda 18. Almost > 3 years later and "oh yeah we realized we should probably add a real > "fallback" mode to Gnome 3. Meanwhile the main people writing code > are not the community. Meanwhile MATE is lighter weight than Gnome > 2.3, has numerous bug fixes, will have full support for > systems/logind.. Something even Gnome 3 still has trouble with. > > > Is it really that scary for you guys to think about something else > besides Gnome 3 and KDE? > > > Not enough support? Then step up and quit whining. You know how to > help, Red Hat employees. Don't be selfish. This is Fedora not RHEL. > This is a community based distribution not Red Hats playground. > Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. > > > Everyone loves to dance around the fact about what Fedora is or > isn't. > > > This isn't one persons decision and its not 2003. > > > Get with the times. Your projects failed. Sure a lot of people like > it. Then again a lot of people don't. And we wonder why there are > less people using Fedora. > > > And then we wonder why MATE and Cinnamon got the most press coverage > in Fedora 18 and why there has been a huge user spike in the last 30 > days. It hasn't been because of systemd, Gnome 3.6, and Anaconda 18. > You are on serious drugs if you believe that. > > > Dan > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
