On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > So, I have been thinking about rawhide. > > I agree identifying the problems/issues would be good, and I think > there's something we can do to help with that: > > Get a nice group of at least 10 or so folks who are active on this list > to agree to run it full time on their main machine. > > As we get close to F18 release, I am considering moving my full time > laptop to rawhide. If I can get a group of folks to do likewise we can > at least identify issues faster and help each other as they come up. > > Additionally, if some number of these folks who pledge to run rawhide > full time were provenpackagers we could just go in and fix things as > they hit (or soon after) instead of waiting a while for fixes to go > out. > > I've run a rawhide vm/test machine here for many years. It's hit it's > share of problems, but none were insurmountable. Some of them might > have been for folks who were not more experienced tho, so increasing > communication around rawhide can only help, IMHO. > > Additional thoughts to help rawhide: > > - It's been suggested before, but could we practically keep N and N-1 > packages in rawhide repos? Then 'yum downgrade' becomes much more > handy. Repodata size and mirror size might shoot that down though. > > - Autoqa could perhaps help out, but I am not holding my breath. ;) > > - Anaconda folks haven't wanted rawhide installer images as they cause > people to report bugs on things when not ready, etc. However, could > we build nightly cloud images at least? Those could help test things > and won't require hitting the installer path. > > - I'm sure there's more ideas to improve it... > > I really think if we get a pool of savvy folks running it day to day we > should at least be able to identify the pain points. In my experience > with my test machine, rawhide has been pretty boring for the last two > cycles, if we can continue to make it so, perhaps the rolling release > folks might be able to find it usable. > > kevin > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel I have two machines - an ancient workstation (Athlon64 X2 with 4 GB of RAM) and a one-year-old laptop. I would certainly consider running Rawhide on the workstation but no way am I running it on the laptop as my *primary* partition. That said, I am running F18 beta TC7 on both the workstation and the laptop as my main distro now and everything seems to be fine. The workstation still has a Beefy Miracle partition but I haven't used it in over a week and I'll most likely blow it away. Perhaps I can put Rawhide on it if it will help the efforts for F18. -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; Computational Journalism Publishers Workbench: http://znmeb.github.com/Computational-Journalism-Publishers-Workbench/ How the Hell can the lion sleep with all those people singing "A weem oh way!" at the top of their lungs? -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
