Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: >> > - don't auto-page; >> >> yes; that's the best solution. The auto-pager is perhaps the most >> annoying feature of systemd. I have no problem in scrolling back some >> pages in my terminal with shift-pgup, but having a status request block >> (plain 'systemctl' or 'journalctl' request a status) is just broken. > > I don't really look at it that way. Let's see, how to put it... > > Okay, so with the old system, I don't recall *ever* doing 'cat > /var/log/messages'. It depends on the usecase. 'cat' is an option when system does not run for a long time yet or the different message types are filtered (e.g. into /var/log/secure). Else: tail -n200 /var/log/messages and when I see that information are too difficulty structured to find the wanted piece at the first glance: <up> | less --> perhaps '-S' within less This workflow is not possible with journalctl anymore. It might not be the most efficient way to do things, but the '<up> | less' part works for a lot of other use cases too so that I do not have to remember which options are required by program A and which by program B to page the output. Often, I know exactly what I want to do next after the 'tail -n200' (or a 'chkconfig --list') and start typing the next command while screen is filled with output. This does not work with systemd anymore because pager is entered. > Did/do you usually less /var/log/messages? Or did you usually cat it? fwiw, I develop for embedded systems (which are using systemd). Showing complete log with 'journalctl' (and SYSTEMD_PAGER=) (and formerly 'cat /var/log/messages' or 'logread') is not uncommon in this usecase. >> Or, do you want that e.g. the 'ls -l' output gets auto-paged? > > Thinking about this case, when I'm doing an ls -l which I know will be > long, I usually wind up trying to order it in such a way that what I > want to see will be at the bottom (classically, ls -ltr)...that doesn't > really work with journals. How about you? filters like 'll -tr' or 'll -Sr' are efficient and not uncommon, indeed. But I use also the plain 'll' very often to get an overview. But I never want 'll' to be auto-paged; regardless whether it displays 1 or 1000 lines. Enrico -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
