On 08/03/2012 08:26 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 03.08.12 14:44, Panu Matilainen (pmatilai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
On 08/03/2012 02:02 PM, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Peter Lemenkov <lemenkov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
2012/8/3 Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
On Wed, 01.08.12 15:28, Tom Callaway (tcallawa@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
A new section on Macros has been added to the Packaging Guidelines,
covering Packaging of Additional RPM Macros.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Packaging_of_Additional_RPM_Macros
What's the rationale behind having these in /etc? This is hardly user
configuration, and only ever used if people build their own RPMs. We
really should try harder not to clutter /etc with stuff that is not
configuration.
Why not have this somewhere below /usr?
Because rpm doesn't have a drop-in directory for macros anywhere in
/usr, nobody has asked for one before this, and while I agree on
"/etc admin purity" being a good thing generally, it has not been
(and still isn't) enough of a reason to make it worth the pain for
me to personally drive such a move.
OpenSUSE has this in /usr/lib/rpm/macros instead. Makes a lot of sense
to copy that scheme from them and making the delta between the distros
here a bit smaller.
Ehh? /usr/lib/rpm/macros is and has always been rpm's own "factory
default" configuration *file*. In Suse, Fedora and every rpm based
distro I know of. Suse patches the upstream config directly to suit
their purposes, in Fedora-land the distro defaults are set in
/usr/lib/rpm/redhat/macros, but that's also a just a file, not a
directory where you can drop in bits and pieces of extra macros from
different packages. Obviously Suse could've added a drop-in macro
directory of their own but looking at their factory rpm sources, I see
no evidence of that.
I mean, I think RPM should look in /etc and in /usr/lib. But the
Guidelines should recommend the latter and not the former.
Agree. We should install them into /usr/lib/rpm.
Exactly. Static stuff installed by packages should not land in /etc.
It's a pain on updates when it's marked as config, and stuff goes
wrong all the time, because things in /etc invite everybody to edit
it, and boom. We really should try hard to leave /etc to the admin,
and not the OS vendor.
And just in case that this will come up: all the bad prior art in /etc
should not be a reason to continue that road, it's not the right way,
and we can do better, and need to do better. :)
Well, adding support for something like /usr/lib/rpm/macros.d/ would
be essentially a one-liner patch. Dealing with the consequences of
moving things there is a whole lot more work, annoyance and
distro-version incompatibilities however.
Well, it would increase compatiblity as the other big RPM distro uses
/usr/lib/rpm/macros for this already.
And I am not proposing that we should really move all macros from one
dir to the other immeidately. Instead I just believe RPM should look in
both places and the guidelines should suggest /usr and deprecate /etc
for this. That should be easy to do, and the transition would be easy
and "soft".
And I'm not saying having a drop-in macro directory somewhere in
/usr/lib/rpm would be a bad idea, but
- it requires a change to rpm which is not there yet
- the guidelines have to work within the realm of what works *now*
- Panu -
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