On Fri, 03.08.12 14:44, Panu Matilainen (pmatilai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > On 08/03/2012 02:02 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: > >On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Peter Lemenkov <lemenkov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>2012/8/3 Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx>: > >>>On Wed, 01.08.12 15:28, Tom Callaway (tcallawa@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > >>> > >>>>A new section on Macros has been added to the Packaging Guidelines, > >>>>covering Packaging of Additional RPM Macros. > >>>> > >>>>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Packaging_of_Additional_RPM_Macros > >>> > >>>What's the rationale behind having these in /etc? This is hardly user > >>>configuration, and only ever used if people build their own RPMs. We > >>>really should try harder not to clutter /etc with stuff that is not > >>>configuration. > >>> > >>>Why not have this somewhere below /usr? > > Because rpm doesn't have a drop-in directory for macros anywhere in > /usr, nobody has asked for one before this, and while I agree on > "/etc admin purity" being a good thing generally, it has not been > (and still isn't) enough of a reason to make it worth the pain for > me to personally drive such a move. OpenSUSE has this in /usr/lib/rpm/macros instead. Makes a lot of sense to copy that scheme from them and making the delta between the distros here a bit smaller. I mean, I think RPM should look in /etc and in /usr/lib. But the Guidelines should recommend the latter and not the former. > >>Agree. We should install them into /usr/lib/rpm. > > > >Exactly. Static stuff installed by packages should not land in /etc. > >It's a pain on updates when it's marked as config, and stuff goes > >wrong all the time, because things in /etc invite everybody to edit > >it, and boom. We really should try hard to leave /etc to the admin, > >and not the OS vendor. > > > >And just in case that this will come up: all the bad prior art in /etc > >should not be a reason to continue that road, it's not the right way, > >and we can do better, and need to do better. :) > > Well, adding support for something like /usr/lib/rpm/macros.d/ would > be essentially a one-liner patch. Dealing with the consequences of > moving things there is a whole lot more work, annoyance and > distro-version incompatibilities however. Well, it would increase compatiblity as the other big RPM distro uses /usr/lib/rpm/macros for this already. And I am not proposing that we should really move all macros from one dir to the other immeidately. Instead I just believe RPM should look in both places and the guidelines should suggest /usr and deprecate /etc for this. That should be easy to do, and the transition would be easy and "soft". Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
