Following applies to a 2011, Macbook Pro 8,2 1. Used livecd-tools-17.6-1.fc17 to successfully create an EFI bootable USB stick of Fedora-17-Alpha-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso. 2. I get to the GRUB menu. Times out and starts to boot. Same result as: EFI boot failure to properly initialize graphics on Macs with Intel and AMD graphics https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765954 So no improvement so far over F16 on either hardware. But livecd-tools appears to work correctly. Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel