I installed F16 on a new machine, trying to keep the installation more or less lean. Meaning - not installing tons of packages w/o thinking and ending up with tons of installed stuff I don't even know what it is. Today, I'm looking at my process list, sorted by amount of dirtied pages (which very closely matches amount of malloced and used space - that is, malloced, but not-written to memory areas are not included). This is the most expensive type of pages, they can't be discarded. If we would be in memory squeeze, kernel will have to swap them out, if swap exists, otherwise kernel can't do anything at all. And this is what I see (DIRTY column): PID VSZ VSZRW RSS (SHR) DIRTY^(SHR) STACK COMMAND 1974 593m 392m 233m 14900 200m 64 208 /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin 2030 589m 393m 188m 16568 156m 684 344 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox 1375 27976 14100 14288 5752 9912 3896 132 /usr/bin/Xorg 1888 71748 55152 14056 4268 9536 0 132 /usr/libexec/tracker-store 1953 145m 44672 17588 6812 8880 88 132 /usr/libexec/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-mixer-plugin 2057 167m 9036 18944 10124 8236 280 204 xchat 4292 15728 8344 10236 1440 7848 0 132 /usr/bin/mc -u -d -C 1892 36464 7608 16396 7116 7296 0 136 {applet.py} /usr/bin/python /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py 1874 48464 27060 12408 5568 6180 0 132 /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs 1941 107m 13872 14784 8968 5620 768 132 Terminal 1901 44748 26400 10872 5012 5560 0 132 /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-flickr ... thunderbird, firefox, xorg are the largest ones, but this is not a surprise. Whoops. What is tracker-store? I don't even know what's that and why is it running, and it's eating ~10 mbytes in DIRTY. Hmm. There are more of those things - tracker-miner-fs, tracker-miner-flickr. There go another 12 megs... And - flickr?? I did not ask anything flickr-related to be *run* on my machine! Let's see... $ rpm -qf /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-flickr tracker-0.12.8-2.fc16.i686 $ rpm -q --info tracker ... Description : Tracker is a powerful desktop-neutral first class object database, tag/metadata database, search tool and indexer. It consists of a common object database that allows entities to have an almost infinte number of properties, metadata (both embedded/harvested as well as user definable), a comprehensive database of keywords/tags and links to other entities. It provides additional features for file based objects including context linking and audit trails for a file object. It has the ability to index, store, harvest metadata. retrieve and search all types of files and other first class objects Ok. I did not ask for this crap to be installed, much less to *run*! What pulled it in? # yum erase tracker ... ======================================================================== Package Arch Version Repository Size ======================================================================== Removing: tracker i686 0.12.8-2.fc16 @updates 4.6 M Removing for dependencies: grilo-plugins i686 0.1.18-1.fc16 @updates 405 k totem i686 1:3.2.1-2.fc16 @anaconda-0 8.1 M totem-nautilus i686 1:3.2.1-2.fc16 @anaconda-0 212 k Transaction Summary ======================================================================== Remove 4 Packages ... Oh. I see. Looks like it's totem. In my opinion, a "search tool and indexer", even if it brands itself "a powerful desktop-neutral first class object database", has no valid technical reasons to run on the machine all the time, even at times when nothing is using it, as was the case at the moment I took the above snapshot. I am pretty sure I did not start totem today (or ever) on this box. Ok, I get it, not every piece of software is written by geniuses. It might be f***ed up by design and does require to be run all the time. But, at the very least, it must not consume tens of megabytes of RAM while it is idle. So. My questions for fedora-devel: Can we do something to either beat this sort of crappy software into some sort of better shape; or it's upstream would not listen, drop it from Fedora? Or are we going to contribute to the continued bloat? -- vda -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel