On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 18:11 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Another way of saying this is: people are used to being able to check > if a service is up without thereby changing its state. Consider for Well, again, it's arguable that this describes the systemd case. You have not changed the state of *the service*: it was always 'on'. You have only changed the state of the daemon that backs the service. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel