Steve Grubb <sgrubb <at> redhat.com> writes: > ... > You're not seeing the hundreds - no thousands of emails about systemd? > You are not seeing that all the expected facilities of init are not covered? > There is well founded rebellion here. > ... Yes, you are right. And the people (e-mails, posts) you refer to are too. Your concerns and those of others point to a questionable (non-UNIX) systemd design. Once again I refer everybody to Denys Vlasenko's thread, where this is very visible; go over it again and you will know why: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152323.html Sys init was, and should be (as it was expected to be in systemd): - simple, limited-in-functions, stable, and thus secure in design - no sys init *and* services manager roles (the last one should be done by another (child) process and inetd-like server) - no networking exposure due to security concerns - no pseudo-roles like handling user sessions, login's, etc - etc It is not by chance that people think about a Windows-like approach in concept and design of systemd, and even Lennart admitted to it: "I like to see it as a modular platform to build an OS from." It comes thru, he wants systemd, with its implied "world domination" attitude, to be a base for some OS-to-be; he even expects it to be some kind of a standard every distro would adopt. I can only say I hope not ! I would suggest that Fedora will be first to reject it as it is now. Fedora is a BETA distro by choice, so it should be easy, prudent, and proper to stop here and redesign systemd, with community, users and testers input. A propos, I have here a few links to sources on UNIX philosophy. I would suggest to everybody to not just read them (skip over them quickly), but also think for a few minutes about each principle. It helps clear up one's mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy Eric Steven Raymond The Art of Unix Programming http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/ http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ The Unix Philosophy http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2877 Enjoy it. JB Vivaldi - Da due venti il mar turbato - Angela Gheorghiu - 1987 (Very Rare!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=8_MtYYCuFjk -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
