On 08/22/2011 12:03 PM, JB wrote:
+1000Steve Grubb <sgrubb <at> redhat.com> writes:... You're not seeing the hundreds - no thousands of emails about systemd? You are not seeing that all the expected facilities of init are not covered? There is well founded rebellion here. ...Yes, you are right. And the people (e-mails, posts) you refer to are too. Your concerns and those of others point to a questionable (non-UNIX) systemd design. Once again I refer everybody to Denys Vlasenko's thread, where this is very visible; go over it again and you will know why: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152323.html Sys init was, and should be (as it was expected to be in systemd): - simple, limited-in-functions, stable, and thus secure in design - no sys init *and* services manager roles (the last one should be done by another (child) process and inetd-like server) - no networking exposure due to security concerns - no pseudo-roles like handling user sessions, login's, etc - etc It is not by chance that people think about a Windows-like approach in concept and design of systemd, and even Lennart admitted to it: "I like to see it as a modular platform to build an OS from." It comes thru, he wants systemd, with its implied "world domination" attitude, to be a base for some OS-to-be; he even expects it to be some kind of a standard every distro would adopt. I can only say I hope not ! I would suggest that Fedora will be first to reject it as it is now. Fedora is a BETA distro by choice, so it should be easy, prudent, and proper to stop here and redesign systemd, with community, users and testers input. A propos, I have here a few links to sources on UNIX philosophy. I would suggest to everybody to not just read them (skip over them quickly), but also think for a few minutes about each principle. It helps clear up one's mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy Eric Steven Raymond The Art of Unix Programming http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/ http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ The Unix Philosophy http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2877 Enjoy it. JB Vivaldi - Da due venti il mar turbato - Angela Gheorghiu - 1987 (Very Rare!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=8_MtYYCuFjk --
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