Le mardi 19 juillet 2011 à 09:48 -0800, Jeff Spaleta a écrit : > how is shell more transparent? from my meager understanding of > systemd we are actually getting better more systematic failure and > logging information from systemd unit files than we get from the > complexity of shell scripts. Are we not? Right now, not at all. Systemd scrapped all kinds of "legacy" logging and will state on unit failure 'I failed, why I failed must be in some logs somewhere, go hunt for them' Not to mention that a sysV script failure can be debuged by feeding the script to bash -x -v, good luck doing the same in systemd systemd has a huge potential, but so far a lot of it is just that, potential, and potential won't make people wait long when they have clear and present problems caused by the missing bits. I don't think it's wise to remove more "legacy" stuff before replacing all that's already been removed. That may be the best path technically but from a communication POW it's a disaster. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel