On 07/10/2011 04:32 PM, Steve Clark wrote: > On 07/10/2011 11:32 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 05:46:18AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: >> >>> I disagree. It doesn't suck. It's the way UNIX and Linux have done this >>> for dozens of years, and it's the way countless sysadmins know and love. >>> "Sucks" might be true from the point of view of "hey look at this great >>> thing I just designed", but it's very much not true from the point of >>> view of the sysadmin working on the weekend who's just thinking "gee, >>> what the heck is going on, why won't this just work how it has done for >>> the past twenty years?". In other words "suck" depends on viewpoint. >> The big kernel lock doesn't suck. It's the way SMP UNIX did things for >> dozens of years, and it's the way countless kernel hackers know and >> love. "Sucks" might be true from the point of view of "hey look at this >> great fine-grained locking I just designed", but it's very much not true >> from the poit of the driver author working on the weekend who's just >> thinking "gee, what the heck is going on, why won't this just work how >> it has done for the past twenty years?". In other words "suck" depends >> on viewpoint. >> >> Improvement means change, and change will inevitably upset some people >> who would prefer to do things in exactly the same way that they always >> have done. If we assert that all viewpoints are equally valid then every >> single thing we've done in Fedora sucks. In this case there are sound >> technical arguments against configuration by command line argument or >> environment variable (just like there are against the BKL), and while we >> should obviously attempt to make any transition as painless as possible >> for administrators, that doesn't serve as a counter to those technical >> arguments. They suck. Unarguably. >> > What are the benefits of systemd - other than it is the new fantastic, wonderful latest gizmo! Lennart, could you please answer this question? Because if you can't we should drop systemd from Fedora... IMHO.. tia, steved. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
