On Sat, 18.06.11 10:46, Aaron Sowry (aaron+rh@xxxxxxxxx) wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 04:31:08PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > The apps that I've seen where they do something special like paging the > > output by default, will not do that if the output is a non-active tty, > > such as a pipe. When you pipe it into something it'll react differently. > > Yes, and this is exactly the problem. When I run 'systemctl --all' on > the tty, I get paging and column headers. When I pipe into something, > I get no paging and no column headers. The assumption here is > apparently that if the output is not going to tty then it is not > destined for human eyes, which is an absolutely ridiculous assumption > to make. If I output to a file so I can look at things later, I get no > headers, and have no option to force them on non-tty output. > > This alone may seem fairly trivial, but the problem is that there are > many of these trivialities, all of which seem to stem from authors who > either don't understand UNIX programming, or are actively choosing to > ignore convention. Seriously, if anybody suggests that the solution to > the above problem is to add a '--force-headers' flag, I think I'm > going to start using Windows. We need to start having this discussion > before more of this stupid behaviour starts finding its way into other > core components of Fedora. Supposedly non-UNIXy behaviour on Linux causes you to switch to Windows? Yeah, that makes sense! Awesome logic! Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
