On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > ... you mean by "holy ghost intuition", feel tempted to press a key to > access a hidden feature, where once was a simple feature? The question really isn't whether or not to make use of the newer keys. The real question is how to make it learnable without being able to paint the label on the physical key. If the Esc key on the keyboards were not painted with a printed hint...would people be able to find it on all keyboards? I've seen Esc in various relative locations on the keyboard interface over the years depending on the keyboard. Or the numlock or the delete? The painted hinting on the keyboard itself matter a lot and we don't have a good alternative to good key labels. What I am really saying is that the deeper problem with learnability of new keyboard driven features is that the hardware and the software development for pretty much the entire open ecosystem we work with in Fedora is disconnected. If GNOME( or KDE or other project..its not GNOME specific issue) was like Apple and controlled the design of the hardware as well as the user interface for the OS and were allowed to paint the physical keys with the printed hinting appropriate for the OS... a lot of the learnability frustration for new keyboard driven features would be mitigated. Just, look at all the extra keys on modern OEM laptops from the Dell's and the Lenovo's and others...extra keys which map to OS specific or BIOS specific functionality that they as OEMs design the hardware for to interact with the OS they _ship_. None of this stuff is standardized...and yet the OEMs feel perfectly fine doing it and selling differentiated keypress devices in the market. Of all the systems you can go out and buy at a major consumer retailer in the US(and I say the US because that's were I am and thus I can't speak to other places with authority) or from major online OEMs how many laptops have a standard layout with no extra functionality keys? 1%? less? The _standard_ keyboard from 10 years ago is not the full story for retail hardware that is being produced and bought now. For us to pretend that it is...is just putting our heads in the sand...and giving up. So how do we make the use of these keyboard driven functionality more discoverable? I don't know. I'm not a UI designer. But I would like to see a UI designer discuss keyboard functionality discoverability. Moreover, I would like to see 2 or more UI designers have a public archived meaty discussion on the topic that I can read and learn from. -jef"My current fav gnome-shell keyboard incantation is the screencast recorder....there is no way on earth I'm going to remember that 4 simultaneous keypress combo. And just as unlikely for me to There is a reason I was never good at Mortal Kombat...the key combos were just not my strength"spaleta -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
