Adam Williamson (awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx) said: > Neither b) nor c) is a hack; they're both improvements in behaviour > whether or not systemd is involved. It's simply more robust for a server > to be able to run before the network connection is available (and hence > across state changes). You don't explain why you think such a patch > wouldn't be accepted upstream. > > > in order to solve *one* of the possible configuration > > issues that might cause them to not start correctly before the basic > > expected network support services are available. In particular, so far > > as I can tell from the discussion at bug #703215, systemd is entirely > > incapable of supporting services that need to do DNS lookups at start. > > That's not true; Tomasz Torcz wrote earlier in this thread "We have > hackish NetworkManager-wait-online.service which can be requested > in such cases." To be more precise: If enabling NetworkManager-wait-online.service does *not* fix your problem on normal boots (where networking doesn't fail/timeout entirely), we want to know about it, and we can fix that. However, network startup has not been synchronous by default with NetworkManager ever since it was introduced; there has always been a race here. To be sure, systemd, by introducing parallelization into the startup, has made that race more prominent. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
