On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:26:40 +0200, KK wrote: > > Arbitrary provenpackagers spending time on rebuilding semi-orphaned > > packages (or even incorrectly retired packages) isn't helpful. > > Actually, IMHO it is. Will you resurrect the packages when their package maintainer retires them after F-15 gold despite of you having fixed them to build? Do you take over packages where it is discovered that they are unmaintained in Fedora for a long time? Your answer won't be an unconditional "yes" to either question. Will you respond to incoming problem reports that would be assigned to orphan-owner only? > We should work together as a community We do, we do! Still we want to have at least one dedicated person take care of a package including bug reports. We want to distribute the load and scale, not create a growing pile we cannot handle. I've used the provenpackagers powers before, too, but still I'd like to _work together_ with other people, and as a requirement I'd like to see that the other people as busy with other packagers or at least are still around instead of having left the Fedora Project silently. > and get rid of > this idea that packages are owned by one person (or a short list of people) > and nobody else is responsible for them. Nobody, not nobody else. The problem is when "nobody" seems to be responsible, not even the guys who are on the list of a package's maintainers. I think what you call responsibility is something different. If you have a spare hour, you'd like to jump in and touch arbitrary packages in arbitrary ways. Not limited to Rawhide. You don't take responsibility for the package in bugzilla. Not for existing tickets and not for future ones either. And you don't care to find out why "nobody" has applied a fix faster than you. It's not even likely that you will be available next time the same package needs another fix or rebuild, if its maintainer is still absent. > If something is broken in Fedora, > we should work together to fix it. If there is nobody left to maintain a package, you cannot work together with anyone. It would be a one-man show. How many packages do you really feel responsible for? Does that include packages you don't even use? > Rebuilds to fix broken dependencies > (possibly with patches to fix FTBFS issues) are an easy way to help making > Fedora as a whole better. Don't generalize. I refer to the scenario where weeks or months pass without a package "owner" doing basic package maintenance and without asking for help. There are various examples, and I've looked up one for you: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/460557 > I think it is of value to Fedora to ship as much (useful and properly > licensed) software as possible. _Working_ software. With the Fedora Packager handling incoming problem reports, because the problems may be specific to Fedora. > That software is clearly useful to somebody > or it wouldn't have been packaged in the first place. "Somebody" could be just the package submitter. And if that person isn't active anymore (sometimes without prior announcement), who else is left? -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
