On 04/10/2011 01:34 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 12:45 -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: > >> And here we are, about to go down the same road again. I have an update >> in updates-testing, it's getting no love, and the package that's in the >> release is *known broken*. It has not been updated for systemd to begin >> with. Nor for tmpfs /var/run. And just like last time, I put out a >> call for testers on this mailing list. > > It got one +1 the day you submitted it, but the tester isn't a > proventester; if he had been, that would have been enough for it to go > through. > >> You know, I think you guys have this entire critpath thing totally >> backwards. You should *never* be keeping maintainers away from their >> testers, but that's exactly what this process does. People running >> alphas and betas and release candidates *are* testers by definition. >> You shouldn't be sequestering critpath updates away from the broadest >> possible testing audience they can have, you should be pushing them >> proactively and getting the broadest testing possible. > > I'm not sure you understand the process. People running Branched > releases - like 15 at present - get the packages in updates-testing. > That repo is enabled *by default* when you install a pre-release. So as > soon as you submit an update for a pre-release, you can expect that > anyone running that pre-release and doing regular updates will get the > package. I just realized today for the first time that our nightlies are based on stable, not testing. I think that's something we need to address. It's probably still useful to have nightlies based on stable, but I think it's rather vital to have images created with the updates in the queue. So, yes, -testing is the default for f15 installs, but the problem is you have to get 15 installed first, at which point you can't test the live image/installer part of the critical path, since you are now in an installed environment, not a live image/installer. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
