On 11/05/2010 09:46 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:56:51 +0100, Ralf wrote: > >> ABRT > >> It doesn't tell the user that core dumps without reproducer are >> worthless in most cases but blindly sends out reports > > Parts of the Fedora user base "abuse" ABRT in that they refuse to > fill in the empty fields. Blame the reporters not the tool. A matter of point of view: To me this is an ABRT GUI issue. It currently doesn't suck as much as it did before, nevertheless its usability still leaves much to be desired. As yourself: What would you do if you were a "simple computer user" and are facing this "flash bulb icon" asking you to become "root" and to get a bugzilla account? You'd call your sys-admin, who'll deinstall or deactivate ABRT pretty soon, when you call him for the "Nth time". As a user you'd also think "what kind of crap is this Fedora/Linux - the WinXP I have at home is better". > It's too > easy for such people to open tickets via ABRT and then ignore > a maintainer's NEEDINFO request. Correct - But the same applies to maintainers. My experience is, most of them ignore ABRT reports, probably because the ABRT reports are not helpful to them and/or don't contain sufficient infos. > It's disheartening in some cases, but > it's a people-problem not a tool-problem. I disagree - IMO; ABRT is not end-user ready. It presumes end-users to be familiar with redhat's infrastructure, which is a developer infrastructure and them to be interested to get involved into Fedora development. This simply does not apply. >> Also, this produces incomplete traceback in many (IMO all) cases. > > Cannot confirm that. In almost all cases, I am observing missting debuginfos even after executing debuginfo-installs. > There seem to be some issues with not finding the > needed debuginfo packages, which may be related to frequent updates of > repos and older packages getting pruned. It may also be related to users > updating their boxes at strange times, e.g. seldomly but immediately after > a crash. Possible. This certainly this applies in some cases. However, I am experiencing missing debuginfos after debuginfo-install even with what is supposed to be "uptodate" Fedora installations. Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
