On 04/11/10 04:23, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 22:12 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >>>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 21:02 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe it is time to discuss the usefulness of ABRT to Fedora. I think >>>>>> that it is a great idea for commercial products such as RHEL, but it >>>>>> obviously did not fit Fedora as is. >>>>> >>>>> I disagree. I have seen many bugs fixed with the aid of abrt feedback. >>>>> It beats the hell out of a bug report which says 'it crashed'. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Does it compare to this number? (it takes a while to open) >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/39yr832 >>> >>> Not hard to run the numbers. There've been 31,603 bugs reported to >>> Bugzilla by abrt. There are 2,216 bugs reported by abrt that have been >>> closed as CURRENTRELEASE, RAWHIDE, ERRATA or NEXTRELEASE (which are the >>> resolutions that usually imply 'it got fixed'). I think a tool that's >>> resulted in 2,216 fixes for crasher bugs is pretty cool. :) >>> >> >> I am pretty sure a subset of these closed bugs are "mass-closing" of >> bugs when a maintainer updates the software. Sometimes, when you >> forward the report upstream, they don't understand the output either, >> and say "it may be fixed, just update and try". You update the >> software, put it to testing, and ask the user if it is fixed for him. >> The user doesn't respond as usual. Then you mark it as fixed without >> really knowing what's going on. Then you have such statistics. YAY! >> > > I randomly picked 20 bug reports out of those 2,216 that were closed > CURRENTRELEASE, RAWHIDE, ERRATA or NEXTRELEASE. > > 1 had the software patched, and updated (Good fix) > 2 had some sort of discussion (1-2 messages) before the maintainer > updates the software and marks it fixed > 17 had no conversation at all. The maintainer just updates the > software to the next version. > > Of course some of these might be real fixes. I didn't look deeply into it. > > However, believing that these bugs are "fixed" thanks to the ABRT > reports sounds to me like wishful thinking. > > Orcan I am aware of at least two bugs filed from me via abrt, which were fixed because of the report. I'm pretty sure, I did not file hundreds or thousands of abrt-reports. Maybe your perspective is a bit too negative. Matthias -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
