Peter Lemenkov, Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:24:00 +0400: > In fact the backlog for Mozilla-related packages is even bigger, because > (due to the fact that MoFo products are unmaintainable at all) many of > them were closed automatically with new Fedora releases. It would be really helpful if instead of calling programs "unmaintainable" and similar non-sense you would research a bit what really is the problem ... take a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=all%20NEW%20abrt% 20crashes&sharer_id=74116 ... that's 1473 NEW untriaged abrt bugs. There is absolutely nothing unmaintainable on that, only plenty of people who are calling MoFo and everybody names but they are not willing to move their butt and help triage this (and yes, abrt seems to be slightly better now, so the backlog shouldn't hopefully be increasing that much). > So no excuse here, please - just allow us fixing bugs. There is absolutely no permission required. I saw plenty of patches which were accepted upstream and just few which were rejected with always clearly stated reasons (not that I agree with all of those reasons, but again before calling Firefox proprietary product, it would be nice to educate yourself). Concerning CLOSED/UPSTREAM resolution ... again, I am not happy with it myself, but instead of calling MoFo proprietary a bit of patches (this time on bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400598, https:// bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294608, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ show_bug.cgi?id=356853, and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi? id=569371) would be helpful. How is your Perlfoo? See what I wrote on this theme before (http://article.gmane.org/ gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/79936/) and feel free to provide patches for some better solution of the situation. I can assure you, that well written patches will be welcomed upstream. > we MUST replace proprietary MoFo products with open > alternatives. Who is "we"? I certainly don't intend to replace for my personal needs Firefox with either of Chromium (ehm, that's an example of open development, right?), Opera, Epiphany (too simple for my needs, sorry ... I like those guys and I was using Epiphany for years, but it is just too little too late for my personal use), galeon (you would need miraculous powers to revive this dead corpse), or any non-Gnome alternative. If we (whoever it is) must do something, then where are *your* patches? (http://slashdot.org/ features/98/10/13/1423253.shtml) Maybe you want to maintain iceweasel & co. in Fedora? Good luck, but not for me, thanks. Best, MatÄj -- http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/, Jabber: mcepl<at>ceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC Courage is resistance of fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
