On 09/30/2010 08:54 PM, Sven Lankes wrote: > 2. The combination of the Mozilla Trademark issue combined with the > strict handling of patches by (corporate|distro)-maintainers (I don't > think that this is a RH/Fedora issue - same with Canonical/Ubuntu) > makes me feel uneasy about ff being called Free sofware. > Please look at this list: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&component=firefox&product=Fedora&classification=Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&component=thunderbird&product=Fedora&classification=Fedora There are 1108 open bugs against Firefox and 404 bugs against Thunderbird and new bugs are coming. And there are only three mozilla maintainers at Red Hat. As you can see, it's impossible for us to fix (or even sort!) all reported bugs so we really have to cooperate with mozilla upstream, which involves *hundreds* of skilled mozilla hackers. Right now, we are in process to redirect firefox/thunderbird crashes directly to mozilla crash database (http://crash-stats.mozilla.com) which is handled by mozilla guys, instead of our bugzilla, so they can help us with all Fedora Firefox/Thunderbird crashes. And you can imagine that we can't achieve that with Fedora customized Firefox build. If we want help from upstream we have to follow some rules. If Red Hat paid hundreds mozilla hackers to work on Fedora/Red Hat mozilla packages, we would start talking about driving it. Until then we don't have any other choice. And it's really not about Mozilla Trademark. ma. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel