Adam Williamson wrote: > As several people have pointed out, there's a fundamental inconsistency > in your position - you can't simultaneously claim that lots of people > are frothing at the mouth for new releases of KDE, but it's really hard > to find anyone to test the updates. If there's so many people who want > KDE updates, it shouldn't be hard to find *two* people (just one of whom > has to be a proven tester) to test the updates before they get pushed. In theory that may be so. In practice, finding karma is extremely hard. Users do not give karma on Bodhi. They do not even have a FAS account and are not interested in signing up for one. It's just how things are. I've been soliciting for karma for this update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kdevelop-4.0.0-3.fc14 on #fedora-kde. It's a straight rebuild, it doesn't really need ANY testing at all. It got only karma 2, and one of those was mine (the update was submitted by somebody else, so it's not a self-vote). The update was submitted (again: not by me) with a stablekarma of 3. Over 5 days have passed now. The repeated claims that those karma requirements are a pure formality are a LIE. In practice this update is unlikely to get to +3 before the 7 day timeout, and if it does, it'll just be because of this message and I do not believe that nagging the devel ML for each update is going to scale! (And in addition, 5 days is already too long. Though in this particular case the neverending Alpha freeze would have kept it from going out to stable anyway, but that's just another broken process.) And thankfully this one is not critical path, so at least there IS a timeout here! Some stuff, e.g. kdelibs, has been arbitrarily termed "critical path" (FESCo forced KDE SIG to provide them a list of "critical" packages, even though our position was clear: we do not see a use for this process for KDE at all!) and will get stuck in testing even longer, potentially forever. > Really, if you want to have anyone from the KDE team apply to be a > proven tester, I will sponsor their application personally. It's not > intended to be a hard process to use. Rex Dieter has applied months ago, before the initial seeding even happened. https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/75 He is still not in the group. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
