On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, 02.08.10 23:50, pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx (pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx) wrote: > >> > So, I guess what I want to say is: I will return full-time to PA not so >> > far away. And I have a queue of patches in my checkout (including volume >> > ramping and plug-in effects and similar). Also note that I'll run the >> > track about audio at plumbersconf again, so there's really no reason to >> > believe that I moved on or PA was dead. >> >> Which is great and I understand that but systemd will basically cover >> the release time frame for F-13 and F-14 and in that timeframe the >> support and issues for PA are going unfixed or even un triaged. Not >> great for a core sub system. So maybe it would be a good idea to train >> up a few people that can do the boring trage so you can get on with >> the upstream PA and systemd stuff so that the average end user doesn't >> need to wait for the bottle neck of a single person because presumably >> with other distros using it Fedora isn't the only distro demanding >> your time. > > Audio hackers unfortunately don't grow on trees. In my counting, there > are 3 people paid in the whole industry who work on general purpose > audio infrastructure of Linux. Two of them are basically busy with > keeping the HDA driver up-to-date, if I am correctly informed. The third > one is me. > > As long as things are that way the entire weight of fixing bugs all > across our consumer audio stack are basically lying on three pairs of > shoulders, and that defines the speed in which we process bugs. So, > please be patient. > > One would wish that a certain other company with a clear focus on > desktop Linux (where consumer audio is a key part of) would want to > actually hire more folks in this area, but well, ... > > I not sure whether it should be considered a failure of us consumer > audio hackers that we never managed to attract a bigger number of core > contributors. But well, I am not a Jono Bacon, and I have done quite a > number of talks about PA and related techs on many conferences, both > about the technical details and from a more user-related > perspective. While I like to believe that people did enjoy my talks they > didn't really have the effect of boasting the numbers of core hackers of > our audio infrastructure. > > Audio hacking is often quite complex unfortunately. You need to have a > basic idea of signal processsing and RT stuff. The code involved is time > critical and usually very low-level. That makes the learning curve > steep, and doesn't help growing audio hackers. > > Then again, something similar can probably be written about every other > part of our Linux infrastructure. I am still waiting for the project > that doesn't have too feww, but too many people making contributions > ;-). > > But anyway. We have come quite far in the last years, and I actually > think the status quo is not bad at all anymore. I have a pretty > positive view on things, so while it of course would be great if we > could fix all open bugs tomorrow, I don't think it should be considered > a catastrophic desaster if we didn't. I think we've done very well over the last couple of years. There's also the MeeGo to go with the Ubuntu and no doubt suse and other distros. But I was more talking about people that know a little that can assist in QA and triage of bugs rather than core develops. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
