2010/7/27 Matt McCutchen <matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 10:31 +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 07/24/2010 09:39 PM, Matt McCutchen wrote: >> > On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 16:36 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:14:33AM -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: >> >>>> Why is the systemd executable in /bin instead of /sbin? >> >>> Without looking too closely I believe systemd eventually seeks to replace >> >>> things like gnome-session daemon. It has session management in mind as >> >>> well as system. >> >> >> >> Still belongs in /sbin, unless it's meant to actually be executed directly >> >> by end-users. >> > >> > No. If that were the criterion, update-mime-database would belong >> > in /sbin . >> > >> >> The FHS puts it like this: >> >> (a) "/bin contains commands that may be used by both the system >> administrator and by users, but which are required when no other >> filesystems are mounted (e.g. in single user mode). It may also contain >> commands which are used indirectly by scripts." >> >> (b) "/sbin contains binaries essential for booting, restoring, >> recovering, and/or repairing the system in addition to the binaries in >> /bin." >> >> So if the intent is that systemd will eventually be invoked (indirectly >> by some script/daemon) by users this seems justified by (a). On the >> other hand the page has this to say on "init": >> >> "The following files, or symbolic links to files, must be in /sbin if >> the corresponding subsystem is installed: ... >> init" >> >> It's arguable though whether this refers to SysV's init or is intended >> to be more general. >> >> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#BINESSENTIALUSERCOMMANDBINARIES >> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SBINSYSTEMBINARIES > > A hard link or symlink at /sbin/init is needed because tools look for it > there. However, I think the main "systemd" executable belongs in /bin. > I read (b) as a subdivision of the category established by the previous > sentence: "Utilities used for system administration (and other root-only > commands) are stored in /sbin, /usr/sbin, and /usr/local/sbin." systemd > is not (going to be) root-only, hence it doesn't go in */sbin. The > right comparison would be to /bin/dbus-daemon. > > -- > Matt i do not understand how a daemon (like e.g. dbus-daemon) qualifies as "/bin : Essential user command binaries (for use by all users)" (taken from fhs 2.3). one could argue if a daemon qualifies as "command". especially since it seems it has to be run before /usr is mounted it is never getting executed by (all) the users. >From a usability point of view it is exactly those kinda commands i do not want in the user path because a user itsself should never have to execute it. to me it sounds more like: /sbin : System binaries. If the system doesent need it why do we start it that early? kind regards, Rudolf Kastl kind regards, Rudolf Kastl > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
