Heya, I have just uploaded a new systemd and a new upstart package which make systemd the default init system for Rawhide. The scheme I followed makes sure that in case systemd actually breaks systems there is an easy path back to upstart. And here's how it works: - "upstart" and "systemd" are now parallel installable. When you upgrade rawhide you will get both installed. (we'll drop upstart eventually, but during the testing phase i made sure to explicitly install both, so that there is a safe backup init system) - You can boot into either of them by setting the "init=" kernel cmdline option according to your wishes. If you pass "init=/bin/systemd" you will boot into systemd, if you pass "init=/sbin/upstart" you will boot into upstart (note the /sbin vs. /bin!) - Since there can only be one implementation providing the /sbin/init file name, I have split off -sysvinit packages from both packages which symlink this to either /bin/systemd (in the systemd-sysvinit pkg) or /sbin/upstart (in the upstart-sysvinit pkg). Something similar is done for /sbin/reboot and the other well-known SysV client utilities. That basically means you can choose which init system to use by default simply by installing either of these two packages. By default systemd-sysvinit will now be installed. As mentioned the "upstart" and "systemd" packages do not conflict -- but "upstart-sysvinit" and "systemd-sysvinit" do. The former two packages include all the actual code, and the latter then install them under the well-known names via symlinks. - Note that using the upstart client tools on a systemd system will of course make certain functionality unavailable. Vice versa it is similar: using the systemd client tools on an upstart boot will of course make certain functionality unavailable, too. However, I carefully made sure that both tool sets work well enough to be able to at least bring up and reboot the machine. So, to put this in shorter words: If systemd does not work for you and you need a temporary fix, pass "init=/bin/upstart" on the kernel command line. If systemd does not work for you and you need a non-temporary fix, install "upstart-sysvinit". I think this offers a good and soft transition for rawhide. I have tested all this quite extensibly on my machines, but of course, I am not sure how this will break on other people's machines. I sincerly hope I didn't break anything major with this transition. So please report bugs and don't rip off my head because I might have broken your boot... I didn't do it on purpose, promised! ;-) systemd.4-3 is the package version this switch of defaults has taken place in. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel