On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:58:07 -0400 Bill Nottingham <notting@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Lennart Poettering (mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx) said: > > Since the acceptance by FESCO it has been added to Rawhide together > > with patched or updated versions of a few related packages. > > However, what has not been done so far is making it the default in > > Rawhide. So far it does not "Obsolete" Upstart yet, just > > "Conflicts" with it. With this mail I want to notify everybody that > > I am planning to do this change very soon now (tomorrow?). Then, > > systemd will be pulled in onto your rawhide system and is used > > exclusively for booting (so far, you can still choose between it > > and upstart in grub, with a default on upstart), and problems > > booting should be reported to systemd in rhbz then. > > This seems a little backwards. If we want to support both, then we > need to just leave it as 'Conflicts', and we'll just flip the default > in comps. By marking it as 'Obsoletes', you effectively make it > impossible to still boot with upstart, as it will be removed in any > yum update. I agree. Please don't Obsolete upstart. Lets just flip it in comps/new installs/live media and see how it goes. We also still have initng around, so I don't see why we should remove upstart for those that choose to keep using it, as well as have some way for people to get back to a booting system for debugging in case they run into a systemd issue they cannot immediately solve. Looking forward to playing with systemd... ;) kevin
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