David Wagoner wrote:
Synaptic has pulled my OS out from under me a few times. Of course this is a front end to apt-get. Apt-get and it's willingness to remove 200 rpms to satisfy one packages requirements is not a good trade-off.My question here is why is the fedora team wasting so much time developing up2date and system-config-packages when synaptic is already an excellent replacement.
I could say that I was extremely impressed with how well red-carpet updater did on restoring systems to proper working order and resolving dependencies. I had a really broken system that I did an *rpm -i *.rpm --nodeps --force* - one that led to duplicate rpms, with different versions and red-carpet fixed all of the duplicated packages and remarkably restored the system.
Personally, I use up2date a lot and appreciate all of the improvements that have been made to the program. I found out that up2date is pretty reliable to even regard the arch of the original package. I had an i686 version of a program installed and up2date did not flag the missing package, since it had an i686 version and only the i386 version of the program was available in the repository. Someone else pointed out the reason up2date did not notice the program as being new. Since it regarded the arch.
I updated the system with the later version manually and it did not seem to hose my system with the i386 version installed. It is good that up2date knew better. This is for rpms that really matter for i686 and i386 versions.
Up2date does take a long while resolving dependencies. This might be sped up with improvements in the file formats that up2date gets it's information from. (yum format, in this case). I haven't tried to use too many apt repositories. It is great that up2date can use apt repositories and probably does a decent job comparable to apt-get.
Having an easier interface to show available but not installed programs from a repository might be a good thing. Having a feature to resolve broken package problems, like red-carpet has would also be nice.
Don't get me wrong. I think synaptic and apt are good programs to have around. I just don't think that one should say that concentrating on one method over the other is futile.
Even though it uses apt, worst
case would be to get the latest source and code in
support for yum then.
see above, 200 packages need to be removed to satisfy foo.
I have had nothing but problems
with up2date. I have had packages fail to install and
yet appear to be installed as far as up2date is
concerned,
Are the arch versions different?
system-config-packages though its gettingThe last time that I used the program, it was broken. Red-carpet does a heck of a job installing packages too. No need to kill all development on system-config-packages because of synaptic has this, red-carpet has this and system-config-packages needs this still. It will get to a decent level eventualy.
better still has a ways to go before it has the
features that synaptic has.
If the developers choose
to continue to use up2date and system-config-packages,
I will continue to use the products during the rest of
the test phase but when Fedora Core 2 is released I
plan on switching to synaptic. Synaptic is full of
features, stable and fast. I look foward to seeing
what everyone has to say on this subject.
hopefully all methods will be better when FC2 is a final release.
Choice is good.
Jim
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