On 03/09/2010 03:57 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 08:51 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > >> We get the users we aim for. > > Not really true. We don't aim at all, and we only get the users that can > bear to stay with us... > >> Here's the camps I see: >> >> 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - the >> apple market or what ubuntu aims for. >> >> 2. one group wants us to aim exclusively for the bleeding edge open >> source developer market. >> >> 3. one group wants us to aim for the admin/experienced user who wants >> newer things but doesn't have time nor interest to fight with lots of broken things. > > That is one way to phrase it. But really, the first is not just a > 'marked', it is everybody. Who wouldn't want a system that works without > much of a hassle and lets me do what I want to do without requiring > constant attention to breakage and changes ? Exactly - These groups are not mutually exclusive. They are one and the same user-group. > And if you don't have anything to offer to the first group, the second > group is going to loose interest too. Why would somebody want to develop > software on a system that has no users ? If the users are all using > other OSes, then it only makes sense to develop the software on those > OSes. I cannot imagine anybody wanting to develop apps on or for Fedora > in its current state. Agreed. Fedora's problem is it not being suitable for any of these groups - Primary cause too many bugs. Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel