On Thu 4 March 2010 12:14:55 pm Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > So please, Fedora KDE users - comment > > these changes! > > I prefer to get the releases as KDE releases > them, instead of having to wait... and wait... > and wait... > > I scanned the Stability Proposal document that > had been linked. Here is what I think: > > As I had expected, breaking up the monolithic > packages into individual packages is a whole lot > of unnecessary work. Better to provide releases > as they occur, than to waste time unnecessarily > breaking down the monolithic packages. To what > end and benefit? Who, nowadays, doesn't have at > least one hard drive of at least 80-100GB, likely > more (I have 3 drives, 2x300GB and1x200GB, the > latter an old pata that will eventually get > phased out, and I actually use only about 80GB > for my own archives! That's a lot of space to > spare). If we want to consider shipping a KDE Netbook spin for Fedora 14 (which has been thrown out as an idea by a few of us in the SIG as a good idea, and is indeed being discussed right now :) ) breaking the packages up would be a Good Thing as we could create a smaller, more targeted spin. (imo, others seem to disagree) Not everyone has a RealBigHarddrive, unfortunately. > > I think it is unnecessary to provide the latest > releases for any releases except the current and > rawhide. If people don't bother to upgrade to the > current release, then they obviously don't care > to run a cutting edge system, so there is no > point in providing it at the expense of a whole > lot of work. It only takes an evening to download > a live cd, install it, and do some rudimentary > configurations. The rest can be achieved as one > actually uses the system, so there is no excuse > for not running the latest release. Considering > that a lot of the work is done by volunteers (or > are you, all you redhat/fedora people?), this is > a fabulous system all for free and not even money > can purchase anything better. > > Yes, it is true that KDE 4 has matured immensely > and it truly is difficult to notice all of the > improvements and bug fixes. Nevertheless, I > personally do enjoy finding the occasional > irritating quirk disappear after a yum update. > > Definitely, old releases should receive only the > necessary bug fixes, not new features. This is a > terrible waste of manpower. The problem is that there _aren't_ bug fixes for these old releases. When 4.x comes out, upstream pretty much drops development on 4.x-1 except for security issues which are backported from 4.x. This leaves us in the tough position of "oh crap, there's $importantfix, in 4.x, but we either need to *spend the manpower* to backport it ourselves, or ship buggy/security-issue-plagued software. :( As it is, for most of Fn-1 updates, at least in the sig, to 4.x are simple and rarely need Fn-1 specific fixes. > Fedora advertises and distinguishes itself from > other distros by being cutting edge. This is what > I expect (although I would not likely jump ship, > were the aforementioned changes implemented), as > there is no other distro offering cutting edge > and stability and quality, as fedora does. > > To save man-hours, it might be better to scrap > kde-redhat and just stick to updates and updates- > testing. I would enable updates-testing (and > sometimes I even pull something off koji > manually), but many would stick to the safer > route of just enabling updates. Again, this would actually take _more_ manpower in the end, if we had QA do the testing instead of kde-redhat users. kde-redhat basically ships rawhide built for Fn, which is a Good Thing, because it gives the upcoming updates/updates-testing release a bunch more testing than sticking it only in rawhide would deliver. There's little manpower involved in Rex taking rawhide's spec file and sources, throwing them in kde-redhat's mock and letting it run (by all means, correct me if I'm wrong, Rex!) and the testing is invaluable. > It is a waste of time for a cutting edge distro > to support old versions. > > I can say, that aside from a very rare scare for > a night, I have had no reason not to be ecstatic > about this distro and the benefits of running it. > No other distro offers what fedora offers. > > The musings of an avid fedora user. The ramblings of an avid fedora user :) Ryan -- Ryan Rix == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ ==
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