Ironically it happened again, just now when these FESCO threads are still warm. My desktop gui processes leak enough mem that I need to restart couple times a week or system will run out of memory. Today I started with updating the F11 with yum. During the update, I noticed that it's pulling in the kde-4.4.0, scary. Then reboot. Now when I logged in, noticed that desktop has really changed quite a bit, some visual stuff even fixed. Then I tried to start kmail to start working. It starts, asks passwords, whines something about Akonadi which i don't use and then crashes/exists. kmail(4465)/kio (KIOConnection) KIO::ConnectionServer::listenForRemote: Listening on "local:/tmp/ksocket-tuju/kmailRj4465.slave-socket" kmail(4465)/libakonadi Akonadi::Control::Private::exec: Could not start/stop Akonadi! kmail(4465) main: Unable to start Akonadi server, exit application kmail(4465)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig: (gdb) This is exactly kind off stuff I don't have time now to solve, since I need to work. If such upgrade would have been put to next coming release, I could have upgraded when I have time, some weekend - it would not interrupted my working and ruin my day. For all those who say that "latest stuff is the reason why I use Fedora!!!1", there is rawhide for you. For a lot of people, this kind of breakage is exactly the reason not to switch from windows/mac to Fedora. Yes, I'm writing this with Alpine... handling pdf attachments and doing invoicing with it is going to be fun. KDE SIG, you need to re-think that proposal again. Tuju -- Ajatteleva ihminen tarvitsee unta. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel