On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:47:31 -0600, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 15:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > Adam Williamson wrote: >> > > During FUDCon, we've been working on revising the Fedora release criteria. >> > > John Poelstra had already fleshed out a structure and much of the final >> > > content, and we've been revising and tweaking it in conjunction with QA >> > > (myself, Will Woods and James Laska), release engineering (Jesse Keating), >> > > anaconda team (especially Denise Dumas and Peter Jones) and desktop team >> > > (Christopher Aillon and Matthias Clasen, who provided suggestions at an >> > > earlier stage). >> > >> > So once again things get decided by a small group of people in an in-person >> > meeting and whoever didn't happen to be at the right place at the right time >> > only gets to know the final decision after the fact? :-( >> >> Nope. This has been discussed for several weeks now. John Poelstra >> posted the initial draft to test-list on November 20th, and asked for >> feedback: >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-November/msg00926.html >> >> He posted a further request for feedback on December 2nd, with an >> explicit explanation that we would be gathering to finish working on the >> pages at FUDCon: >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-December/msg00047.html >> >> It was also brought up at each QA group meeting during this time. >> >> All the feedback that was received in response to any of those requests >> was considered for the page either before or at FUDCon. >> >> This is not really about 'deciding things', it's about documenting an >> existing process. Everything in the criteria is either based on the >> existing QA acceptance test plan or has been requested by the anaconda >> or desktop teams. >> >> > I've complained >> > many times about this lack of transparency and I'll continue to do so. >> >> I don't think complaint is justified in this case. It was a perfectly >> transparent process. There was a lot of opportunity to feed in. >> >> > Plus, why was the KDE SIG not invited? (We had at least 4 KDE SIG folks >> > present at FUDCon.) >> >> We had a pre-hackfest meeting for the whole FUDCon attendee list where >> everyone who wanted to hack on something stood up and announced what >> they would be hacking on. John Poelstra announced at that meeting that >> we would be gathering to work on the release criteria. The KDE people >> who were at FUDCon were at that meeting, so they were in a position to >> know about the work. I was running around all day telling people what we >> were working on, it wasn't a secret. >> >> > Are you planning to ship Fedora 13 even if the KDE Live >> > image is broken? >> >> That depends on whether you want us to or not. :) If a SIG has criteria >> they want to add to the list, and they can commit to fulfilling those >> criteria and be willing to take the responsibility of causing a release >> to slip if they _don't_ fulfill them, we can certainly add those to the >> lists. If KDE has minimum functional levels for the KDE spin that they >> can commit to, please do send them to this thread and we'll look at >> putting them in the criteria. >> >> We intentionally didn't specifically address the issue of the relative >> 'importance' of spins in the criteria as it's a difficult topic and one >> that's not really appropriate to decide in this place. The existing >> criteria didn't address this either - they didn't say anything about >> _any_ spin having to be not 'broken' before we ship - so there's no >> change there. >> > > <sarcasm> > > In the future could all decisions about Fedora be run through me prior to > them being enacted? > > </sarcasm> > > -Mike > You can always fix that by starting your own distro tangent. They just voted on what they provide. Rallias PS: What does sarcasm HTML tag do? It caused an error in my specialized email reader. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
