there are also inconsistencies between gui clickery and shell usage... simple example: click "shutdown" in gnome just does it in f12 issuesing shutdown -h now on the shell asks for root password ... id really expect a system to show consistent behaviour not only in gui clickery but system wide. this feels pretty broken to me. kind regards, Rudolf Kastl -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list