2009/10/9 Terry Barnaby <terry1@xxxxxxxxxxx>: > On 10/09/2009 12:19 AM, Dave Airlie wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 09:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 14:05 +0100, Terry Barnaby wrote: >>>> >>>> No, I don't what to force testing on anyone (although F11 has done >>>> that >>>> already :) ) >>>> I was just suggesting that a separate yum archive with the packages >>>> necessary >>>> to test the later graphics development code that will be in F12 could >>>> be >>>> made available for people to try out easily with their F11 systems. >>>> They can optionally try these. I think it will allow 3D to work for >>>> many people >>>> (from my experience of the latest GIT versions) although others would >>>> not be so >>>> lucky. They can easily back these changes out if they have more issues >>>> than >>>> the standard graphics system. >>> >>> Then please feel free to make one. :) I don't mean that in a snide >>> fashion, but it really is the answer. As noted, having our X.org >>> developers spend time on such a repository directly subtracts that >>> amount of time from the time they would otherwise spend actually >>> developing the drivers (our X.org maintainers are also major upstream >>> developers) and fixing reported bugs. >> >> I thought about doing something like this the other day, but really >> if we had something like Ubuntu PPA, which I think is on the longterm >> plans for Fedora then it would be a lot easier to do. >> >> At the moment its just too distracting to do. >> >> The thing with doing updates for F11 is the regression rate due to >> lack of QA, I put Mesa packages into updates-testing that fixed a >> lot of r300/r500 bugs back at the start of F11 and it went into >> testing a few weeks later and broke Intel, I got 0 reports during that >> u-t phase about breakage. So now I have a package in stable that >> lets 3D works for x num of people and breaks compiz for y number. >> >> So I've pretty much given up on pushing anything to previous Fedora >> releases that isn't a security fix or major crash fix, because we simply >> don't have the QA in place to avoid regression current users, at least >> if you install F11 on your hw, and it doesn't work well, you know that, >> if you install it and it works well then later stops working well, thats >> a lot worse situation to end up in. >> >> I think for F12 updates we could really do with some sort of side repo >> setup, so we could have a stability period where QA could happen on >> packages that may end up in updates a month or two later. >> >> Dave. >> >>> Given that there is a lot of development work to do on these drivers >>> (which is why you find the newer versions better...) and a lot of bugs >>> to fix (we generally barely keep up with the rate of bugs filed as it >>> is), we don't see that as a good trade-off. You'd get backported drivers >>> for stable releases, but the rate of development of the actual upstream >>> drivers would be noticeably slowed, and fewer reported bugs would >>> ultimately get fixed. >>> >>> Backporting packages is not intrinsically very difficult, though it is >>> somewhat time-consuming, so it's something for which a far greater >>> candidate pool exists than X driver development. Thus, the suggestion >>> that someone else do it. For instance, you. It seems you've already >>> successfully built the latest versions of things locally; if you can do >>> that, you can put them in a package and put the package in a repository, >>> it's not a very hard process and it's all documented on the Wiki. >>> >>> -- >>> Adam Williamson >>> Fedora QA Community Monkey >>> IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org >>> http://www.happyassassin.net >>> >> >> > I totally agree with you on the QA issue. Maybe I am wrong, but I haven't > seen any real set of tests to be performed on Fedora 3D graphics. > I tried the ATI test day for graphics. On the 3D graphics side it said to > run "glxgears" and if you like other 3D apps that you use. Running your > other 3D apps is difficult from a limited Live distribution... > I really think a simple test procedure should be implemented and documented > to at least check for basic functionality with the main 3D applications. > Ideally an automatic test program should be part of this. > This would allow a relative novice to test the 3D system on their hardware > and hopefully automatically feed back constructive results from the > myriad of different graphics hardware options. > > Maybe we could do a "Phoronix live cd" that includes the phoronix 3d tests and removes stuff like abiword and gnumeric? > -- > fedora-devel-list mailing list > fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
