On 10/08/2009 01:51 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 10:54:54 +0100,
Terry Barnaby<terry1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Are you confident that F12 will make 3D usable under Linux on the majority of
mainstream graphics cards ?
It's not going to provide 3d for nvidia, though it is hoped that nouveau will
be somewhat improved. Intel and all much of ATI (through at least r600 series)
is supposed to get working 3d with kernel mode setting.
Due to the range of graphics hardware and the differences between them, I would
have thought that a significant amount of user testing and bug
fixing would need to be done to achieve this. I tried the F12 ATI
graphics testing day and although a good idea the 3D tests were very
limited and due to the amount of effort a user has to put in I guess
limited in scope. Although people, myself included, feed back bugs
upstream into the freedesktop GIT repository I would have thought
that a larger audience was required ...
So you'd prefer to force F11 users to do testing whether they want to
or not?
No, I don't what to force testing on anyone (although F11 has done that
already :) )
I was just suggesting that a separate yum archive with the packages necessary
to test the later graphics development code that will be in F12 could be
made available for people to try out easily with their F11 systems.
They can optionally try these. I think it will allow 3D to work for many people
(from my experience of the latest GIT versions) although others would not be so
lucky. They can easily back these changes out if they have more issues than
the standard graphics system.
I would have thought that more people would be likely to try out the graphics
updates if it is easy for them to install on their running systems
and use in their normal usage patterns rather than have to maintain
a separate test system
just to test and feed back issues ...
It isn't going to be simple to do this. With the modesetting changes there
are a lot of interactions between parts and you need to change a number of
things (X, mesa, drm, kernel) at once to have a working system.
Yes, there are quite a few changes, that is why it is difficult for people
to test the changes ... Although I would have though that for the most part
it would be just building the appropriate set of the F12 packages for F11.
Ah well, I will probably have to wait for F12 or F13 before I can truly move
from F8 :(
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