On Thu, 21 May 2009, Bill Nottingham wrote:
As I said, it's a trade-off between: Benefits: - allows roughly 1/6 of the world's population to use Fedora freely
Fedora is already allowed to be used freely. If your country does not allow you to use free software, that's a problem out of scope of Fedora.
I feel the benefits in this case outweigh the demerits, and the
The benefits takes away my freedoms of referencing a country my flag and image that my own country recognises.
amount of work required to be greatly exaggerated.
Because a 3 second check already spotted non-flag issue?s Should these go to: /usr/lib64/openoffice.org/basis3.1/share/template/wizard/bitmap/taiwan.gif /usr/share/texmf/omega/otp/otibet/tibadjusttsheg.otp /usr/lib64/pango/1.6.0/modules/pango-tibetan-fc.so Today flags. tomorrow geography? Next week a language? Next year a culture?
making Fedora available for all to use freely is a fundamental goal of the project;
You cannot give Chinese people the freedom to see flags. Only China can. If you want to free them, show them freedom, don't take freedom away from us.
Now, if we can discuss the benefits and demerits without resorting to reducuing it to 'aah! slippery slope' or 'I'm offended by yellow, take that out too!', it would help, as those are sort of missing the point.
Those are not missing the point though. Would you have banned a game that included an (illegal) photo of a coffin of a dead US soldier, when that was illegal in the Bush regime too? What about marihuana leaves (legal where I come from)? Or some chemistry software that displaces a cocaine molecule? Or the above references of a piece of the earth called Taiwan? How about navigation software that tells you how to go to Cuba from Florida? A chemistry book that tells you how to make gun powder? What if Taiwan goes DNSSEC and I want to add the DNSKEY to the dnssec-conf package? Should 10/10th of the world not have DNSSEC protection to save 1/6th of the world from not having Fedora? Russians officially are not allowed to use RSA and should use GOST, are you going to exclude that too to help them, as the US does not ban use of GOST so clearly using GOST would have the benefit of 1/10 of the population of this planet to use Fedora? The whole point is about a slippery slope, and the only way out is not to play. Fedora is already free. It does not need to be more free. If people need to make changes, because their government puts additional restrictions on top of international rule, then let the Newspeak Department of said country respin the free software themselves into a Fedora NewSpeak. Paul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
