i do not understand how this is sane anyways: actually why not just draw a baseline and continue to upgrade rawhide. why does it have to be frozen? the freeze is all about making sure installation works properly and that is beeing tested with using the released betas/rcs of the installer. there is no sane way currently to test the f11 updates and that means while we keep on freezing and testing an old state we are also pushing out updates on releaseday that have seen no real testing at all. -> process problem in my eyes a sane approach would be to atleast have a seperate updates-f11-prelease repo that is going to be moved to f11-updates once the final is released. those that want to coverage check the blocker bugs can actually do so while others can actually test the updates in a sane way. is there any problem with that? seems pretty trivial to me actually. anyone from rel-eng going to comment on that? why is it done that way when above issues are rather obvious and present since a whole while kind regards, Rudolf Kastl -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list