Am Montag, den 27.04.2009, 14:12 -0400 schrieb Ben Boeckel: > Julian Aloofi wrote: > > > Of course KDE (and everything else) is good too, but at > > the moment it's > > (in my opinion, KDE 4.2 brought great improvements but > > it still crashes > > from time to time) not stable enough (that will > > change). > > Bug numbers please? Don't get me wrong, I like KDE but sometimes Plasma just crashes when I press the Kickoff button or stuff like this. I can't reproduce that, and so I just call it not stable enough. By the way, the discussion is not about using KDE as default destop, so this is not a point we have to talk about at this point of the discussion. _______________________________________________________________________ As far as I see we have the following choices: 1.)Don't change anything. GNOME is the default desktop. 2.)Put all possible desktops on the DVD, but we choose a default live CD that is also used as default installation media. 3.)Create a bloated LiveDVD that contains all desktops and use it as default installation media. 4.)We use the DVD as default installation media, put all desktops on it, use it as default installation media and teach the users about the different desktops in an info window before they choose their desktop. For users who don't have a DVD drive or want to test Fedora we can still offer an info page on fedoraproject.org and link to the live CD's. 5.)desktop = rand() Option 2 is pretty nice. We had the default installation media with a default desktop and that's what the normal user, who doesn't care about choices and just uses the default programs and so on, would use. And everyone who knows about the diffent DE'S could use the DVD or a non-default live CD. The only thing we had to care about then is, that we have to fit as many desktops as possible on the DVD. At the moment we only have GNOME and KDE on the DVD, so we had to add LXDE(3.2 MB), XFCE(16.4 MB) and various others (e17, fluxbox, TWM etc.) who will, summed up, not be about more than 35 MB's (just a guess, based on the package sizes that packagekit tells me). Then we had a default desktop for all new users, but would treat all desktops equally on the DVD. If we'd use option 3 I could think of a GRUB based menu like Welcome to Fedora: Boot Fedora with GNOME Boot Fedora with KDE Boot Fedora with XFCE Boot Fedora with LXDE Boot Fedora with Enlightenment 17 etc... Install Fedora (that would allow users to choose their desktop while they install) That would also be acceptable, but the users wouldn't know what the different desktops are when they enter GRUB (I don't know how hard it would be to realize that outside of GRUB, or to realize that at all). Option 4 (the option I prefer) is also pretty nice, because it informs users about the DE's before they install. We can give them all information they need and we wouldn't have a default desktop anymore, so everyone is happy. A disadvantage may be the lost "consolidation of efforts", but maybe that is the price we have to pay for being politically correct. Option 5 would be funny, and maybe I even prefer it over option 4, but I think we could lose some users, and some people could make jokes about us. But we would be a legend and even in 10+ years people would say:"They did it the Fedora way" if they talked about random decisions or decisions they can't understand. In the end we have to notice that Fedora is a project, which involves many people with different interests, and saying "We really like your work, KDE people, but GNOME is just better, we'll use it as our default desktop" (nobody said that, but maybe that's how some people feel) is not fair, and if only one person of the KDE/XFCE/LXDE/etc guys says that they want to be threatened equally it's something we definetly have to think about. By the way, just out of curiosity, I wonder how "the Red Hat guys" think about that, and if they would like to see the Fedora project taking a certain direction, as RedHat seemed to be more GNOME-focused as far as I know and remember. (for example this doesn't contain any KDE/Qt related apps: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_contributions#Desktop_Software)
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