On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 16:45 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Yes. I am aware of that. That's one of the reasons there is alsamixer > shipped with our distro. But Lennart, this is not an option for the general Joe. I've used Linux exclusively for more than 13 years, and I wasn't even aware of this alsamixer until recently when _you_ mentioned it to me. For most people, if it's not easily accessible from a convenient UI (the Volume Control in this case), it _does_not_exist_. And it should be this way. For crying out loud, how would someone know to open up a terminal and run this obscure problem? How would they know about it? In F8 at least I could control all that from the Volume Control, as crappy as that was. As soon as I upgraded to F11, I was lost! I had to file a bug report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493790 just to find out about alsamixer! (BTW, this was the problem Dave was mentioning: the DB was missing entries, and for a very standard piece of HW, and the user was toast) I know you mean well by trying to simplify this entire mess (I hated the old Volume Control, it was too much), but on the other hand this seems to be a messy problem and taking too much control from the user is a mistake. At least that's what my intuition is telling me, FWIW. -- Dimi Paun <dimi@xxxxxxxxxxx> Lattica, Inc. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
