On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:43:28AM -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: > 2009/4/16 Jesse Keating <jkeating@xxxxxxxxxx>: > > On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 01:37 +0500, Suren Karapetyan wrote: > >> You will not find anyone @RH who will agree that > >> previews behavior was better > >> > > On the contrary, you'll likely find many people who work for Red Hat > > that would prefer the old behavior, they're just not wasting their time > > by arguing about it on a distribution mailing list. > > So what are they doing instead? Absolutely nothing? How ridiculous. > Let's just make a bunch of extremely bad decisions and keep bad > defaults because actually trying to convince someone that the defaults > or decisions people make are bad is pointless. The people to convince are the maintainers of the code in question, and in the general case sprawling threads on distribution mailing lists aren't a good way to do that. Some worthwhile ideas came out of this discussion and were implemented - however, at this point it's just repeating the same arguments over and over again, and argument ad nauseum is not the most convincing approach. One thing that should be borne in mind is that the Fedora X maintainers are a subset of the upstream X maintainers. Convincing Fedora to change the default is likely to be an equivalent task to convincing upstream to change the default. The only real way that any divergence could develop would be for the Fedora maintainers to be overruled. My understanding is that if FESCO is unwilling to do this then the issue could (in principle) be raised to the board. If that doesn't lead anywhere then your issue becomes one with the overall governance of the project, and that's best discussed somewhere other than on a technical development mailing list. In summary: The technical issues raised are well understood by the maintainers. Unless there's any further insight into those issues then this is not the mailing list to continue the discussions. It's simply no longer a development issue. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
