On 06.03.2009 08:00, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 07:03 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Why not simply mail f-d-l as well as all the maintainers of packages
that are affected (and not fedora-devel-announce!)? A simple command
^^^
line script is able to do that in case MTA's like sendmail or postfix
are properly configured. That script likely could write a comma
separated list that people can cut-n-paste to Thunderbird, Kmail and
other MUA's if needed.
Fedora-devel-list is subscribed to fedora-devel-announce, so anything
sent to f-d-a will also show up on f-d-l.
You misread; see the "not" above ;-)
Reason: I for one slowly start to get annoyed by the slowly increasing
traffic on fedora-devel-announce that clutters my inbox. Thus I started
to consider to move mails from that list into some IMAP folder
automatically, and that is exactly what we didn't want people to do when
fedora-devel-announce was created. I think we said something like "less
then 10 mails a month" back when we created it, but I could not find
that on a quick google search :-/
Are you finding what is sent there to not be relevant or important to
you as a packager? I'm the moderator of that list and I don't think
I've sent or let anything through that wasn't useful.
As Kevin replied: "If the proposal is to send any and all soname bumps
there, this will make it much higher volume." That's what I fear, as the
volume IMHO already is to high. Seems it wasn't obvious enough in my
initial mail :-/ sorry.
To say it in different words: f-d-a afaik was created to make sure that
all contributors get aware of all the *important* issues. That afaics
will only work properly as long as the information that comes over the
list most of the time is relevant for the one that receives it,
otherwise people will consider the mails from the list as spam and
filter them away -- which is exactly what we didn't want people to do
when f-d-a was created.
That includes people that maintain just one single package in Fedora --
like for example grenier does, who takes care of testdisk upstream and
in Fedora. Ask yourself: How many of the mails that went to f-d-a in
February were relevant for developers like him -- developers that only
want to maintain their own software in Fedora and nothing else (I guess
some of those might not even use Fedora regularly....)
From a quick look on
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-February/thread.html
I'd say: maybe half of the mails, likely way less.
The "Test Day" announcement for example. Or the soname bumps. FUDCon
Berlin 2009. Announcing Fedora 11 Alpha (blink). None of them afaics is
allowed according to the rules that are written on
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce
Quoting:
---
> This list is intended to be a LOW TRAFFIC announce-only list for
> Fedora development.
>
Acceptable Types of Announcements
- Policy or process changes that affect developers.
- Infrastructure changes that affect developers.
- Tools changes that affect developers.
- Schedule changes
- Freeze reminders
Unacceptable Types of Announcements
- Periodic automated reports (violates the INFREQUENT rule)
- Discussion
- Anything else not mentioned above
---
But it's likely a matter of interpretation.
Anyway: enough said. I think I made my point clear now and it's up to
others to decide.
CU
knurd
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