2009/3/7 Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx>
Which is why Empathy has a feature page, the very reason I went this route. Suggest an improvement, then see what would be said and maybe.. just maybe have a meaningful technical debate on the merits of the proposal.
I followed the feature proposal guide to the letter, additionalyl you are most welcome to go back and read. I never ignore the contraints of the live CD, it was always mentioned as a con, I even offered suggestions and the hours it needed to get them implemented. Hell when bugs where filed on issues, I and the other maintainer was on top of it and tried to get them resolved as quickly as possible. I might be many things but I am honest. I did this from a desire to improve Fedora.
I have instead gotten disrespectful personal mail, the only feedback I have gotten when asking the SIG in question was in the same tones you just used, from the maintainer (and source of aformentioned nasty mail) of the product I proposed to replace. My proposal page was defaced in a more unprofessional manner (same guy).
I tried to answer critics, I offered, and contacted upstream to ask them to help answer questions (to which they kindly agreed). when instead of a productive debate as was requested no such debate ever took place. Looking back at the IRC log I am left with a foul taste in my mouth, mentions of what RHEL supports and how it's not a bad thing to discriminate based on language.
I did this, out of the desire to make Fedora better. The sign on my door says Fedora volunteer. It does so for a reason. I am frankly disgusted by this whole affair, especially since my honesty and motives were brought into question.
And even if they did not, we abide by it. This is FEScos world, we just live in it.
What apps are the default on a given spin is a decision which should reallyDavid Nielsen wrote:
> 2009/3/6 Bill Nottingham <notting@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
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>> * Banshee as default Media player -
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BansheeAsDefaultMediaplayer
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>> FESCo disapproved this feature, with 4 negative votes.
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> I did not see this one the action list for this meeting, nor was I even
> invited to argue the case for this. I would at least have liked to know
> that my proposal was going on the chopping block before you discard it so
> I could see what to improve for a F12 proposal.
be taken by the SIG maintaining the spin, in this case the GNOME/Desktop
SIG (i.e. essentially the RH Desktop Team).
Which is why Empathy has a feature page, the very reason I went this route. Suggest an improvement, then see what would be said and maybe.. just maybe have a meaningful technical debate on the merits of the proposal.
I'd be really pissed off if somebody tried to decide what apps the KDE spin
should ship by writing a feature page without ever discussing it with the
KDE SIG and sending it directly to FESCo, also completely ignoring live CD
size constraints (as you did).
I followed the feature proposal guide to the letter, additionalyl you are most welcome to go back and read. I never ignore the contraints of the live CD, it was always mentioned as a con, I even offered suggestions and the hours it needed to get them implemented. Hell when bugs where filed on issues, I and the other maintainer was on top of it and tried to get them resolved as quickly as possible. I might be many things but I am honest. I did this from a desire to improve Fedora.
I have instead gotten disrespectful personal mail, the only feedback I have gotten when asking the SIG in question was in the same tones you just used, from the maintainer (and source of aformentioned nasty mail) of the product I proposed to replace. My proposal page was defaced in a more unprofessional manner (same guy).
I tried to answer critics, I offered, and contacted upstream to ask them to help answer questions (to which they kindly agreed). when instead of a productive debate as was requested no such debate ever took place. Looking back at the IRC log I am left with a foul taste in my mouth, mentions of what RHEL supports and how it's not a bad thing to discriminate based on language.
I did this, out of the desire to make Fedora better. The sign on my door says Fedora volunteer. It does so for a reason. I am frankly disgusted by this whole affair, especially since my honesty and motives were brought into question.
I think FESCo made the right decision here.
And even if they did not, we abide by it. This is FEScos world, we just live in it.
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